190 vs 180 tires
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SeñorJack
El Guapo
its hard to tell the difference with a different brand tire. i am running the michelin PR3 at 190/50 and I have a 190/55 pr3 waiting in my room right now. from the stock the only differences I notice are as follows;
-slower lean in coming into a turn. no just countersteering and drop, you have to give it a little more encouragement. But along with that it feels more stable in the corners, but I think any size pr3 will feel better than those stocks.
-I the rear end feels much more under control. I live where there are some really really straight flat roads everyonce and a while I take her up to 130+ just to make sure I dont need a steering stabalizer yet haha. the rear end feels much better above 90 or so.
-slower lean in coming into a turn. no just countersteering and drop, you have to give it a little more encouragement. But along with that it feels more stable in the corners, but I think any size pr3 will feel better than those stocks.
-I the rear end feels much more under control. I live where there are some really really straight flat roads everyonce and a while I take her up to 130+ just to make sure I dont need a steering stabalizer yet haha. the rear end feels much better above 90 or so.
Jacek3743
Member
Is the change really noticeable or is it only noticeable with a lot of seat time?
SeñorJack
El Guapo
well thats a great question. I think any tire will feel different due to the brands tire profile you know? but yes, I feel a slower turn in. A heavier turn in is more accurate.
Overall my bike feels just the tiniest bit more stable. I like it, I feel confidant riding hard. If you want to maintain that snappy feel your stock tire size will provide yamahas intended feel for the fz8 but I will continue to rock the 190s as I like the secure feeling I get in the turns. really predictable for me. If you want to stay closer to stock but get the look of the 190 width, maybe try the 190/55. I havent tried but in theory it should provide a little (like a little little) better turn in.
I don't think you would be too bummed with a 190 unless you hit the track alot. and it looks baaaad *** imo
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Overall my bike feels just the tiniest bit more stable. I like it, I feel confidant riding hard. If you want to maintain that snappy feel your stock tire size will provide yamahas intended feel for the fz8 but I will continue to rock the 190s as I like the secure feeling I get in the turns. really predictable for me. If you want to stay closer to stock but get the look of the 190 width, maybe try the 190/55. I havent tried but in theory it should provide a little (like a little little) better turn in.
I don't think you would be too bummed with a 190 unless you hit the track alot. and it looks baaaad *** imo
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Jacek3743
Member
well thats a great question. I think any tire will feel different due to the brands tire profile you know? but yes, I feel a slower turn in. A heavier turn in is more accurate.
Overall my bike feels just the tiniest bit more stable. I like it, I feel confidant riding hard. If you want to maintain that snappy feel your stock tire size will provide yamahas intended feel for the fz8 but I will continue to rock the 190s as I like the secure feeling I get in the turns. really predictable for me. If you want to stay closer to stock but get the look of the 190 width, maybe try the 190/55. I havent tried but in theory it should provide a little (like a little little) better turn in.
I don't think you would be too bummed with a 190 unless you hit the track alot. and it looks baaaad *** imo
You answered all of my questions on that one. I'm gonna be using it mostly for street and maybe I'll take it out on the track once since our nearest track is couple hours away. I think I'll go with the 190/55. I love the look of it!
cambo
Avid Rider
well thats a great question. I think any tire will feel different due to the brands tire profile you know? but yes, I feel a slower turn in. A heavier turn in is more accurate.
Overall my bike feels just the tiniest bit more stable. I like it, I feel confidant riding hard. If you want to maintain that snappy feel your stock tire size will provide yamahas intended feel for the fz8 but I will continue to rock the 190s as I like the secure feeling I get in the turns. really predictable for me. If you want to stay closer to stock but get the look of the 190 width, maybe try the 190/55. I havent tried but in theory it should provide a little (like a little little) better turn in.
I don't think you would be too bummed with a 190 unless you hit the track alot. and it looks baaaad *** imo
Hey senorjack....so just to clarify, you have the 190/50? That looks bad ***!
this is a great thread and I think I'm sold on getting a beefier rear tire. haha, anybody need a basically brand new S20 rear tire (stock size...whatever that is can't remember)
kononovitchpavel
Commuter
hey i used to run a 180 metzeler m3 now i am riding on a 190 m5 and the main difference i feel is that the bike drops with less effort. i like the 190 more for the purpose. but keep in mind the rear height will be raised a bit.
hope this helps
hope this helps
BDazzler
New member
I'm not sure how my input will help, but I ride an FZ1 which comes stock with the 190/50. The stock tires (same brand/type as FZ8) are total crap. I changed mine early just to get rid of them. I put on the Michelin PR3's and stayed with the 190/50. I really considered the 190/55 for better turn in, but I live in east central IL and all the roads are straight and flat, so I thought I'd get more life out of the 190/50.
I'd like to try a sportier tire for a trip to the Dragon, and the Pilot Power 3 sounds like the one. If I do, I'll get it in the 190/55. Of course, every tire has a different profile. The Pilot Roads are not made for turn-in, but the Pilot Powers will likely have a steeper angle even in the 190/50. The 190/55 will add some height to the rear and make turn it quicker just by a taller rear end.
I understand the desire for a wider rear tire. If mine came with the 180 I think i would stick with it. The FJR1300 comes with the 180/55 also, as does the R6. I don't think you can go wrong with the 180/55, 190/50 or 190/55. You've got to change tires, so just try them out. To really know a difference, you'd have to get the same tire, but in the different size. Many on the FZ1 forum go with the 190/55. I've heard of a few that go 200, but not many. It much harder to find a 200 anyway.
I'd like to try a sportier tire for a trip to the Dragon, and the Pilot Power 3 sounds like the one. If I do, I'll get it in the 190/55. Of course, every tire has a different profile. The Pilot Roads are not made for turn-in, but the Pilot Powers will likely have a steeper angle even in the 190/50. The 190/55 will add some height to the rear and make turn it quicker just by a taller rear end.
I understand the desire for a wider rear tire. If mine came with the 180 I think i would stick with it. The FJR1300 comes with the 180/55 also, as does the R6. I don't think you can go wrong with the 180/55, 190/50 or 190/55. You've got to change tires, so just try them out. To really know a difference, you'd have to get the same tire, but in the different size. Many on the FZ1 forum go with the 190/55. I've heard of a few that go 200, but not many. It much harder to find a 200 anyway.
SeñorJack
El Guapo
ya 190/50.
sidenote to the size, Ive got to plug the michelin PR3! ive not had a tire improve a vehicle of any kind like these!
cambo
Avid Rider
haha, another question...probably stupid but here goes: what do you mean you have to plug the PR3?
It sounds like this is a good thing from the context of your post but when i think plug, I think...flat tire needs plugging lol!
SeñorJack
El Guapo
sorry I should clarify. I mean plug as in favorably suggest them. They have a great wear to traction ratio. I really enjoy the shape Of the tire, feels great under heavy braking. great at high speeds. I am sure there are better track day tires. but for day to day riding and traction these are great.
also just wanted to point out that 190/50 wasnt a huge diffrence for me. a 190/50 has roughly a 95mm height and a 180/55 has a 99mm height. so the height is very similar, but put against the varying widths, it can be quite a difference. but my PR3s seemed to arrive with a rounder profile than my stock tires.
1HalfFrozenWaffle
New member
I am a tad late on this discussion but did anyone change the front tire size when going to the 190?
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Bajaedition
New member
interesting read
Choosing the right tire size for your motorcycle rims - Sport Rider
we have a 5.5 wide rim on the FZ8 so a 190 would not be putting down as large of a contact patch on a 5.5 inch wide rims, needs a 6 inch rim for proper contact patch.
I cannot answer this question as I tend to run tires as specked by the manufacturer.
Choosing the right tire size for your motorcycle rims - Sport Rider
we have a 5.5 wide rim on the FZ8 so a 190 would not be putting down as large of a contact patch on a 5.5 inch wide rims, needs a 6 inch rim for proper contact patch.
I cannot answer this question as I tend to run tires as specked by the manufacturer.
socal
New member
i kept the same size front but now running bridgestone s20's and the rear is a 190/50 dude its as sticky as a hookers toothbrush.
vigintitr3s
New member
Sticky as a hooker's toothbrush!? Man that's some funny shit!