I'm in Thousand Oaks, just 3 minutes from Westlake entrance into the canyons so I ride Mulholland Snake, Piuma, Stunt, Decker, Encinal etc and I never see another 8. I know there's 1 or 2 others cause each time I visit rockstorephotos.com I see pictures of them. If anyone ever gets out this way, let me know and we'll hook up.