Camo, i understand your concerns. When i rode over Apex Mtn yesterday, the rode was beaten up from a bad winter, the 8 was not happy at all when the road is rough and hard cornering is involved. The 8 is your average standard economy bike and is great for commuting and weekend bike camping. I will be keeping it for just those situations. My new bike should arrive this week sometime(2012 Black Vmax). Next spring i will get a 3rd bike , most likely the yamaha FJR1300 or the Yamaha Super Tenere, for some off road fun. I love Yamaha and will be collecting several of them for my stable. Even though the 8 doesn't have the best suspension, in the black it still looks Bad A$$ and gets a lot of attention at the local bike stops( donut shops).